What to do with a GSR

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RyanA;191468 wrote: The pimp ass straight pipe is actually probably hurting you.
this is the quote i was trying to reference in the above post
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tbrazzy-s3;191586 wrote:
RyanA;191468 wrote:. The pimp ass straight pipe is actually probably hurting you.
can anyone explain this to me? in theory i thought any restriction would inhibit power. straight pipes have less restriction correct? this is the whole reason im looking at buddy club's even though theyre ridiculously loud. just curious..
Some say that "an engine needs backpressure to work correctly." Is this true?

No. It would be more correct to say, "a perfectly stock engine that cannot adjust its fuel delivery needs backpressure to work correctly." This idea is a myth. As with all myths, however, there is a hint of fact with this one. Particularly, some people equate backpressure with torque, and others fear that too little backpressure will lead to valve burning.

The first reason why people say "backpressure is good" is because they believe that increased backpressure by itself will increase torque, particularly with a stock exhaust manifold. Granted, some stock manifolds act somewhat like performance headers at low RPM, but these manifolds will exhibit poor performance at higher RPM. This, however does not automatically lead to the conclusion that backpressure produces more torque. The increase in torque is not due to backpressure, but to the effects of changes in fuel/air mixture, which will be described in more detail below.

The other reason why people say "backpressure is good" is because they hear that cars (or motorcycles) that have had performance exhaust work done to them would then go on to burn exhaust valves. Now, it is true that such valve burning has occurred as a result of the exhaust mods, but it isn't due merely to a lack of backpressure.

The internal combustion engine is a complex, dynamic collection of different systems working together to convert the stored power in gasoline into mechanical energy to push a car down the road. Anytime one of these systems are modified, that mod will also indirectly affect the other systems, as well.

Now, valve burning occurs as a result of a very lean-burning engine. In order to achieve a theoretical optimal combustion, an engine needs 14.7 parts of oxygen by mass to 1 part of gasoline (again, by mass). This is referred to as a stochiometric (chemically correct) mixture, and is commonly referred to as a 14.7:1 mix. If an engine burns with less oxygen present (13:1, 12:1, etc...), it is said to run rich. Conversely, if the engine runs with more oxygen present (16:1, 17:1, etc...), it is said to run lean. Today's engines are designed to run at 14.7:1 for normally cruising, with rich mixtures on acceleration or warm-up, and lean mixtures while decelerating.

Getting back to the discussion, the reason that exhaust valves burn is because the engine is burning lean. Normal engines will tolerate lean burning for a little bit, but not for sustained periods of time. The reason why the engine is burning lean to begin with is that the reduction in backpressure is causing more air to be drawn into the combustion chamber than before. Earlier cars (and motorcycles) with carburetion often could not adjust because of the way that backpressure caused air to flow backwards through the carburetor after the air already got loaded down with fuel, and caused the air to receive a second load of fuel. While a bad design, it was nonetheless used in a lot of vehicles. Once these vehicles received performance mods that reduced backpressure, they no longer had that double-loading effect, and then tended to burn valves because of the resulting over-lean condition. This, incidentally, also provides a basis for the "torque increase" seen if backpressure is maintained. As the fuel/air mixture becomes leaner, the resultant combustion will produce progressively less and less of the force needed to produce torque.
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to answer the question in the title... give it to me.

but a solution to your money problems would be to find a junk motor... and start a build on the side... you can take as long as you want and do what you want when you want to do it... yes it might take you a couple years but when its done you will be VERY satisfied. in the meantime you will have to be satisfied with what you have.
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J_Jay_B;191924 wrote:
but a solution to your money problems would be to find a junk motor... and start a build on the side... you can take as long as you want and do what you want when you want to do it... yes it might take you a couple years but when its done you will be VERY satisfied. in the meantime you will have to be satisfied with what you have.
thats my plan or get a new DD, best way to do it
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gsrauto98;191931 wrote:thats my plan or get a new DD, best way to do it
my future plans for when i get my first bonus check... in about 3 months
the individuality of your car is frowned upon... welcome to the honda community
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J_Jay_B;191924 wrote:to answer the question in the title... give it to me.

but a solution to your money problems would be to find a junk motor... and start a build on the side... you can take as long as you want and do what you want when you want to do it... yes it might take you a couple years but when its done you will be VERY satisfied. in the meantime you will have to be satisfied with what you have.
wow, actually never thought of that. that could be fun just sourcing random parts whenever. ill see what comes up. thanks
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you sir are welcome... but i will only give this genius advice once for free! next you pay me, whether it be car parts, cash, or other favors
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J_Jay_B;192403 wrote:you sir are welcome... but i will only give this genius advice once for free! next you pay me, whether it be car parts, cash, or other favors
other favors huh? sounds shady :D