sleeving and port-n-polish anyone?

[SikofFalln]

Jake are you serious? I had the first Built D-series n/a motor in stl louis 161hp to the wheels on the motor. Ask Trost he has ALL my old parts from the motor except the block.

This man speaks the truth!

[stolle]

So how long do you expect this thing to last? I have no doubt in my mind that a stock block anything can handle 30psi or more (I think we have all seen videos of that probe lol) but is it really worth all the effort to have sooo much money put into an engine that it will crap out on in a few short years? Now i dont know about you, but I dont think its worth it. If you really want an engine that will impress some people build it so it lasts. You can go ahead with your "notched rods" liked you claimed you were doing before but I am not one of those "they did it once on hondatech, that means i can do it" kind of people. I like to think of things in a realistic way, goals that can actually done, not just "said" magazine (or interent forum) racing only gets you so far.
So anyway, when you get your engine done and I get my sleeved engine done we'll race. hell, you can even race the Buick if you want. But until then I will still have my doubts on how this engine will last, dont take it personally, but you say you've built a bunch of honda engines, but where are they at? If i knew some specs about these and what kind of numbers they put down I know I wouldnt be as quick to doubt your capabilities. So let us know when this stock sleeved monster is done, I want to see it for my own eyes.

:mblah05:

+1

good luck chris hope your motor last more than 10 minutes.... :blob8:

[N2HIFI]

+1

good luck chris hope your motor last more than 10 minutes.... :blob8:

not sure what everybody's deal is but i guess since i am going to spend more then 100 buck building my motor and turbo set up i am just wasting my time, maybe next time i should just go to the junkyard and buy a bunch of used worn out shit and throw it together so it looks like my engine bay threw up and just be content with making as much power as a n/a motor... sounds good to me.

I'm done
chris

[ImAJandILikeToSuckMenOffForMoney]

not sure what everybody's deal is but i guess since i am going to spend more then 100 buck building my motor and turbo set up i am just wasting my time, maybe next time i should just go to the junkyard and buy a bunch of used worn out shit and throw it together so it looks like my engine bay threw up and just be content with making as much power as a n/a motor... sounds good to me.

I'm done
chris

+1 Chris just build it and then show them you dont what your doing. All they want is to turbo there lil crx for as cheap as possible and half ass it. Im sorry but I dont think you should use old and nasty parts when turboing a car but thats me. But to each his own I guess.

[stolle]

not sure what everybody's deal is but i guess since i am going to spend more then 100 buck building my motor and turbo set up i am just wasting my time, maybe next time i should just go to the junkyard and buy a bunch of used worn out shit and throw it together so it looks like my engine bay threw up and just be content with making as much power as a n/a motor... sounds good to me.

I'm done
chris

im sure you can build a good motor i know the parts your using and i know they can put down some serious power. the only thing i dont agree with is that you expect 20+ psi of boost on stock sleeves, d-series sleeves are strong i have read a ton about it but when you get into high rpm high boost conditions they do have a breaking point i know some people have had luck with high boost and stock sleeves but imo its flirting with disaster why spend the time and money on strong parts only to leave a weak link? at the very least i would block post it just to give me some piece of mind, like i said good luck maybe you will prove us wrong. i built my turbo kit with junkyard parts almost 2 years ago and it still runs strong the past year its been on a weak ass d15b7 thats trapped 104mph at the track id say thats pretty damn good for a bunch of worn out junkyard parts. i dont think its high dollar parts that builds hp its attention detail research accumulating parts that work well together tricks to contribute to the overall longevity i guess you could call it "tuning" every build starts off with a good foundation something to build upon right now its seems you have a nice concrete foundation but forgot about the re bar....

[N2HIFI]

im sure you can build a good motor i know the parts your using and i know they can put down some serious power. the only thing i dont agree with is that you expect 20+ psi of boost on stock sleeves, d-series sleeves are strong i have read a ton about it but when you get into high rpm high boost conditions they do have a breaking point i know some people have had luck with high boost and stock sleeves but imo its flirting with disaster why spend the time and money on strong parts only to leave a weak link? at the very least i would block post it just to give me some piece of mind, like i said good luck maybe you will prove us wrong. i built my turbo kit with junkyard parts almost 2 years ago and it still runs strong the past year its been on a weak ass d15b7 thats trapped 104mph at the track id say thats pretty damn good for a bunch of worn out junkyard parts. i dont think its high dollar parts that builds hp its attention detail research accumulating parts that work well together tricks to contribute to the overall longevity i guess you could call it "tuning" every build starts off with a good foundation something to build upon right now its seems you have a nice concrete foundation but forgot about the re bar....

stolle i want to thank you for not being HUGELY offended at that remark, it shows that i can be a dick and some people can read through that and see my points and views so to that i thank you.

I appreciate the concern and i do wish that i would have been able to post the block BUT due to using stock bore on a mid millage motor i had to pass on the hone and just do a straight clean up job and dingle berry it. If somthing does happen its not a huge issue i have a .20 over block in the basement i can block post and then get the 75.5 pistons instead and just transfer everything over.

I do HOPE that once its up and running that i don't have any issues but, shit happens and i will just have to deal with it when that comes. I just get frustrated that people can't get past their hang ups and just want to assume they know everything and always look to the bad side of a good thing.

chris

[niket]

There's a lot of people I wanted to quote, but it was too much so I'll just say my piece. Stock sleeved turbo D16's are making 400whp consistently and reliably. Its not a once it happened on honda-tech. It IS turbod16.com.

It isn't a bad idea at all to sleeve your block when you're making high horsepower no matter what engine you are using. But no one knows the limits of a sleeved block, until they push the limit. Statements like "B16 sleeves can handle xxx amount of power" only happened because someone made that power and ran it consistently and reliably for a long period of time. The same way, since most people around here aren't running high horsepower D-series engines, it doesn't sound realistic to say the sleeves can handle 400whp. Look at a few forums with people who do run that power. Again, at turbod16.com, there are quite a few people running that kind of setup consistently and reliably for a long period of time. Just because someone hasn't done the proper research, doesn't mean it isn't possible. They're running 10s now, stock sleeves that is. Go check it out.

Sadly, no one ever mentions a turbo except N2HIFI when they talk about boost. That is the most uneducated statement made in this thread. 20psi of boost, 30psi of boost. It means absolutely nothing unless you're talking about a specific turbo. CFMs do matter people.

The worst thing you can do to an engine is rev it too high. Stress is proportionate to the rpm squared. Think about that. Running boost will not increase peak cylinder pressure to remotely compete with that. There is a reason high horsepower turbocharged cars do not rev to the moon and it would be stupid to do so.

90% of the failures for D series are rods and pistons. Rarely do I see one where the sleeves have cracked. Most of you guys have built and tuned more engines than I have, but maybe you will be convinced by the amount of evidence out there. People keep saying, don't just believe its possible because such and such forum said so. There are real examples, and I have seen one or two of them. Then I ask you, how did you come up with the conception that a D series sleeve can only handle so much power?

[5thgen]

There is a reason high horsepower turbocharged cars do not rev to the moon and it would be stupid to do so.

There are a lot that do rev high though......you might want to take that one back.

Even cfm is not the whole story.....I would say efficiency, back pressure along with a good scavenging manifold are more important.

[niket]

Thanks for the input 5th gen. You're right, backpressure, efficiency, and manifold do play an important role; cfms are not everything.